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> Obviously nobody needs more than that per year ...

You are, of course, in a position to know what everybody on Earth needs.

What if someone wants to give $10 million away per year to worthy charities? Will you tell them they can't?

Or... what if someone wants to own something you consider wastefully expensive? Is it your job to tell them they shouldn't? Or is it wiser to adopt the position of humility and say "Well, it's their business, not mine, what they spend their money on"?

It's easy to be motivated by envy, even when we think we aren't. It's much better for your soul, and your peace of mind, to adopt the "let them" mentality, and not decide what other people, whose lives you know nothing about, need.



There is a big difference between 'needs' and 'wants'.

I'll defend the argument no one 'needs' more than 1.5 mill per year.

I agree with you greed is endless and lots of people want more and will rationalize their hoarding while others, often in their own communities, suffer.


No one really "needs" anything. You can live perfectly well on minimum wage. But really, you could survive perfectly well as a slave. Infact, the world is content for you to die and get nothing. All "need" is "want". All you deserve is what you have leverage for.


This is a global audience. Define 'minimum wage'


This comment feels like playing stupid to such an absurd degree that the argument loses any semblance of thought and you sound like you're yelling at clouds.

Obviously being a slave is not the same as being a millionaire. If you make your argument this reductionist then you don't even sound human anymore, let alone well reasoned.


You absolutely cannot live perfectly well on minimum wage lmao


What you mean is that you can't have everything you want on minimum wage


No, i mean precisely "you can't live perfectly well on minimum wage" -- housing is not a want


Opponents of obscene wealth/income inequality are typically not motivated by envy – that is your own projection.


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That terrible analogy does not produce a useful mental model on any level. You probably need to read Das Kapital.


Maybe you need to watch more Clavicular streams


Let's end this conversation right here before it descends any further into ideological battle. And in the interests of peace, I shall hold my tongue about what I think about Marx, or of you for recommending him in a positive light.


The text was given as an example of what socialist believe.

If I said Nazis don't believe X, and held up Mein Kampf as an example, would I be implicitly endorsing it and a positive thing?


Ha, if you think Marx is objectionable then you really need to read Das Kapital.


Ah, something I can respond to without engaging in ideological battle. Instead, let's look at history.

I think Marx is objectionable because he was, objectively, an awful person. I mean, just to take one single example, look at what he wrote about Ferdinand Lassalle in this letter to Engels:

https://marxists.architexturez.net/archive/marx/works/1862/l...

... Yes. That's literally what Marx wrote.

The first two paragraphs are particularly revealing on the question of whether Marx was, or was not, motivated by envy.


Seriously, you'd do better to engage with ideology and philosophy rather than the personal letters of flawed human beings.


"Opponents of obscene wealth/income inequality are typically not motivated by envy – that is your own projection."

That's literally what you wrote to start the thread.


That says a lot about you


For going on so much about needs, it's very funny that your one example is about wants


Interesting vote-to-downvote ratio my comment got. Seems there are a lot more people with anti-libertarian beliefs hanging out at HN at the moment than there are people who lean libertarian.

Since it was not my intention to engage in ideological battle (you'll notice I framed it as "good for your soul and peace of mind" rather than make any kind of political argument for it), I'll leave it there and not reply to any of the answers I got. But it was quite enlightening to see how people reacted to that comment.


I guess to reply to the OG, I’m very conservatively putting a bound on a cozy upper middle class lifestyle locally. Linus lives in Portland, Oregon. There you can comfortably live an upper middle class lifestyle on 200k or 300k. Again, conservatively take the upper bound. 1.5M >> 300k, so it’s more than anyone needs to live a cozy life. Technical needs are much lower, but this is a lazy mathematical proof where I prove the Linus number is bigger than a thing much higher than practical physical and emotional money needs and so don’t need to strictly define them.

In your argument case, those are all “nice to haves” (like much of the stuff in an upper middle class lifestyle), but it would be very difficult to argue they are necessary to live life, even at a relatively wealthy capacity.




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