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So if Apple really cares about privacy, their products send less telemetry than my Linux system, correct?





I agree with this point as well. I had the privilege of talking to a telemetry ingestion engineer at Apple, and I learned quite a bit about the amount of data they collect on their users. It's absolutely staggering.

> So if Apple really cares about privacy

This is a complete misunderstanding of what I was saying. I wasn’t arguing that Apple “really cares” about privacy; quite the opposite – I was arguing that it doesn’t matter if Apple “really cares”, what matters is that they are financially and strategically incentivised to be pro-privacy.

Linux is not Apple’s competitor. Apple only have to be better at privacy than their competitors.


> Apple only have to be better at privacy than their competitors.

Yeah, that's the sad thing. And on mobile their only competitor is Google... so they don't have to be really good at privacy.


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The op wasn’t arguing that there was some moral difference between apple and google. They were arguing an incentive difference.

And there is one! If you don’t recognize that you yourself are subject to some sort of distortion field.


Obviously that incentive difference doesn't work. Otherwise Apple would be happy with being paid, while not making users the product. Cable TV is another example of this non-working incentive difference. It just takes longer, because the paying users need to be slowly dragged along into advertisement hell.



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