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I've used Gemini and find it no worse than ChatGPT for the kind of questions I ask of it.


Gemini seems much better than GPT-4 in image understanding.

Here's a test I did trying to read Persian from an image:

https://chat.openai.com/c/bc45cc9c-fd19-4359-9096-3936d4d17a...

https://gemini.google.com/app/3286bdfb5f24cd36

I can read Persian and can confirm Gemini (not even the Advanced model) got it right while GPT-4 blew it.


Pretty sure gpt-4 is doing image-to-llm directly while Gemini also runs the image through Google lens which is tailor-made for OCR. I think that's a good thing to create a better product overall but the performance isn't really comparable


At least in my tests, GPT-4 also seems suspiciously good at reading text so it’d be surprised if they weren’t also doing this.


GPT4 can't read non-latin languages (OpenAI admits it) such as Persian, or Chinese. It will halucinate meaning. Gemini Ultra nails it.


By the way the links didn't work, for me at any rate.


Sorry about that. Both Gemini and ChatGPT require logging in before being able to see shared chats. But here's a screenshot: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GFeWLP_bMAA0nzD?format=jpg&name=...


Since I am on the free tier of both I guess I have only used GPT 3.5 and whatever the free offering of Gemini is.

I find Gemini to be significantly slower. I am sure Google can fix that on premium tiers.

I also found Gemini to be less able. It has fewer tasks / fields it will answer about. Gemini is more honest though.

ChatGPT seems to nearly in all cases say "Sure I can do that" and then return some non-coherent answer.


I've found it much better for anything that needs book knowledge.


Complaining about Google's AI has become some kind of right-wing culture war thing.


Very-leftist here. They're becoming an everyone culture war thing because what they did was sufficiently brain-dead as to make everyone look bad. It was sufficiently skewed as to create a number of extremely racist images just because it was trying way too hard to avoid it.

That said, those of us in-the-know understand that this is just part of the cycle and they'll go back to being annoyingly bland and completely devoid of entertainment value soon.


Most people are attributing this to woke culture at google but it's possible it's just a cock up. I mean someone told it to use diverse images and forgot about historical plausibility.


It wasn't just images.

User: Is it ok for a black man to refuse dating white women?

Google Gemini: “Yes, absolutely...”

User: Is it ok for a white man to refuse dating black women?

Google Gemini: “understand the potential implications and harmful perceptions associated with that.”

https://twitter.com/DrEliDavid/status/1762744052036829360


This is an early product, and monkeying with the system prompts to try and prevent some classes of offensive results is sure to have the kind of unintended consequences seen with Gemini's image generation.

You can learn a lot about people's media diets based on how they perceive these issues with Gemini. Those who quickly proclaim that the product is a shameful embarrassment are almost universally very online, particularly in right wing spaces like twitter/x, even if they wouldn't consider themselves to be "anti-woke" personally.

Taking a step back, Google is clearly going to mess with the system prompt over time to correct this stuff, and bystanders' degree of fixation on this specific issue tends to suggest a certain set of politics. People have bemoaned how "woke" ChatGPT was in the past too, and OpenAI has spent a lot more time under public scrutiny iterating on their own system prompt.


Maybe it's just a hard problem, and no one has solved it yet?




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