> The world is in pretty bad shape if it's created by an omnipotent omniscient deity.
Not like we would have anything to do with it?
If I handcraft a beautiful wooden toy and I give it as a present to a 5-year-old, and they have a tantrum and break it (accident or not), is the state of the toy a testimony to my identity or ability as a craftsman?
Or maybe I should have never given the toy as a present?
If you are omniscient, and knew what would happen before you gave the present to the 5-year-old, even knew before you got the present, even knew before the kid was born then it's definitely your fault.
Why dies the kid behaves like that in the first place and why is the toy breakable. Shouldn't higher standards apply to an omnipresent, omnipotent and omniscient being?
If the world was created by greek gods, ok. They are full of human traits and errors, jealous, vain etc. But the perfect abrahamic god?
I fundamentally disagree. I give toys to my 1-year-old even knowing that he'll accidentally mistreat them because he doesn't know better. I love him, and I want him to live, learn, grow.
This is obviously a poor comparison when speaking about God's purpose in everything, but I think it begins to hint a certain perspective.
“For my thoughts are not your thoughts,
neither are your ways my ways,”
declares the Lord.
“As the heavens are higher than the earth,
so are my ways higher than your ways
and my thoughts than your thoughts."
Isaiah 55:8-9
>I love him, and I want him to live, learn, grow.
Because you aren't omnipresent, omnipotent and omniscient.
So whole mythology and the way we are makes more sense if god isn't omnipresent, omnipotent and omniscient.
> That's just a complicated way for: Why? Because!
No, it's not. What this means is that you yourself are not the measure of reality, and that there are things that you will not understand, because they are bigger than you. And you not understanding or knowing something is irrelevant to reality. To refuse this is to be like the little child who doesn't want to obey or listen to a wise father that is lovingly giving them instructions for their own good.
> Because you aren't omnipresent, omnipotent and omniscient. So whole mythology and the way we are makes more sense if god isn't omnipresent, omnipotent and omniscient.
I really don't follow the reasoning behind this. We don't need God to be messed up in order to explain why we, and everything around us, is messed up.
Not like we would have anything to do with it?
If I handcraft a beautiful wooden toy and I give it as a present to a 5-year-old, and they have a tantrum and break it (accident or not), is the state of the toy a testimony to my identity or ability as a craftsman?
Or maybe I should have never given the toy as a present?