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> That doesn't justify that sort of systematic pressure.

If I were a parent I would be trying to mitigate the risk to my child. As I previously stated it is unfair but not unfounded.

It cannot be sexism if it is based in fact.

> An African American is much more likely to be a murderer than a white American, but that doesn't make it ok to cross the road whenever you see one.

* I don't live in the US, I am from the UK. The term African American doesn't really mean much here.

* If there was a young guy dressed in sports gear and appeared to be somewhat of a lout, no matter what the colour of his skin I would cross the road.

It is unfair. Sure. But when I was a younger man (I am almost 40 now), I used to be followed about and stopped by police and security because I was simple 1) Male 2) Under 25. People are simply mitigating the amount of risk to themselves, business and family.



The statistic for how likely a sex offender is to be male strikes me as unjustified here in three ways.

Firstly, I doubt many parents actually do do their research on this and use such a statistic to inform their decision. More likely it will be based on gut feeling.

Secondly, the probabilities are the wrong way round. More relevant how likely a given man is to be a sex offender, vs the likelihood for a given woman. If both probabilities are very tiny then despite their relative magnitudes there are other things to worry about.

Thirdly, "sex offender" is an extremely broad term and the great majority of those offenses would not have involved nursery age children.


Your bizarre line about sports gear is racism, or bigotry at least. Black people are mentioned so let’s talk about “louts” dressed poorly?


> If there was a young guy dressed in sports gear and appeared to be somewhat of a lout, no matter what the colour of his skin I would cross the road.

I didn't say anything about Black men. I said if I saw young men in General that looked like louts I would be wary.


Oh, give me a break please. You explicitly brought up young, shadily-dressed men on the street as a subpoint in the context of talking about black people.


No you are accusing me of racism when I made no comment about race what-so-ever. This "well you are secretly talking about black men" is you inserting your own prejudices and assumptions into something I've never said.

This maybe be an American thing. I am not from the US, I've never been to the US so I don't know. There are plenty of groups of yobs in the UK in poorer areas. Outside of London and the big cities these tend to be white. In my own home town (which is 99% white) there are 4 or 5 problem areas where you don't walk through at night because you get surrounded by youths. It happened to me at least once or twice when I was in my 20s and I only got left alone because one of the guys knew my brother.

I get so bored of this "well you secretly meant something else because I want to label you a bad person".


>> It cannot be sexism if it is based in fact.

As usual, it's not the facts that are in dispute here, but their interpretation.




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