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But if it is 'rap music' violence, madness, drug use, rape, etc. are fine, because if you say otherwise you are racist. Maybe it is racist to not hold all human beings to the same standard of decency?


Cool strawman mate. There's plenty of people who call out rap's shortcomings. Some of them are black. You can do it without being called a racist, I swear.

I don't know why people are calling you a racist, but I have some theories...


The key difference is that the Punk subculture sprung up around the music, where much of the 'rap music' was reflective (exaggerated and glamorized) of an existing situation and subculture. I think you can still argue that violent rap music incites or inspires crime though. I think you can generally criticize effects, but you skirt the line with racism when you start projecting that too broadly.


I don't see the difference. Rap music seems to go hand in hand with the subculture. If it wasn't glamorized, I doubt it'd exist, at least to the degree it does. Same with punk. If the punk lifestyle was not glamorized through the music, then the punk subculture would not exist.

My point is that it is racist to not hold all people to the same moral standard, because in effect we are saying those we do not hold accountable are not capable.


Chap-hop star Mr B, The Gentleman Rhymer, wrote "Hip-Hop Was To Blame, After All", specifically addressing this attitude: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FkES4anCYOw


Hip hop is different than rap. Rap as a genre tends to glorify the violence, etc. Hip hop tends to glorify a particular culture. Of the latter I am a fan. Of the former, not very much, mostly because it has become pretty boring and repetitive and has lost the creativity, clever wordplay and fun rhythm. Instead, it just substitutes sex, drugs and violence to make up for lack of substance, and sells out the African American community for the entertainment of white rich kids.

That being said, a few of the newer rappers do have some poetic things to say.


You are abysmally misinformed on the history of hip hop.

>My point is that it is racist to not hold all people to the same moral standard,

Ah, in that case you agree that _every_ American slaveowner in the South was a bad, immoral, evil person, right? Same goes for all Germans in WWII.


Not that I think this is an interesting point to argue (and I'm not sure exactly what you're getting at) but yea every slave owner was bad because we're categorizing them based on the bad act: owning slaves. Not every German was a soldier let a lone a Nazi during WWII.

I think there's an Axiom of Choice joke in there somewhere.


Every person who buys an iPhone or wears Nikes is immoral and a bad person to a degree, as these products are essentially built upon slave labor.


> these products are essentially built upon slave labor.

Citation needed.

AFAIK, the labor is entirely voluntary and reimbursed. Wages are much lower, but so is cost of living.


Yes...does any sane person today think slave owners and nazis were on the correct side of morality?


Minor nit pick:

All slaveowners = people who owned slaves = bad ("complicated" at best)

All Germans during WWII =/= Nazis.

There's plenty of great WWII era Germans who didn't support that Nazis and helped take them down.

But yea, fuck Nazis.


If you don't even know the difference between gangsta rap and rap in general, I'm not sure you're qualified to discuss the point.


I used to listen to loads of rap, gangsta rap and hip hop. The less it glorified the gang life the better it tended to be. I think the gang life glorification is just the lazy way of making content, like how people cuss when they don't have anything significant to say.




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